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I was thinking that my father was a Switzer, so my paternal DNA wouldn’t be Goudie either. It would be my mother’s father who would give us the Goudie DNA. I tried to get her to take a test, but she wouldn’t. I should try again.
Leslie you absolutely got 50% of your autosomal DNA from your mother Stella Goudie who would have gotten 50% of her autosomal DNA from her father, James William Goudie, which means 25% of your autosomal DNA is from James William Goudie. This also means you inherited 12.5% of your autosomal DNA from the father of James William Goudie, i.e. your great grandfather.
Oh, I see. Thank you. I’m not sure how Sheldon and I don’t come up as a match. We have to be related in some way if we both descend from John and Eliza Goudie.
It’s still really fun for me to finally find someone connected to my Goudie line. And I learned some new things about the family. Thank you very much. It’s the line of my family that I have known the least about. Although looking at my old notes, I knew more than I thought I did. I guess it has been a long time since I did any family research.
I’m curious if you have run your kit through any of the Admixture calculators on Gedmatch. I would like to see what percentages you get for the indigenous portions. I Can run your kit through myself to have a look for you as well. I find Eurogenes K36 a good calculator for a fair representation or any of the MDLP Projects.
I did finally submit my mom’s DNA. She didn’t show any indigenous DNA. However, the sons of her brother Jack (John Francis) show 2% Native American and 2% Arctic DNA. They’re my first cousins. It may not show in mine, but I know they’re still my Ancestors. I show Lilly Ann as Lily Ann, with one L. But Lilly or Lily was my mom’s aunt. She’s 98 now and has Alzheimer’s, so she doesn’t remember much at all now. But William John, or John William is driving me crazy. No one seems to be able to find his birthplace. Ancestry.ca keeps wanting to connect him with Elizabeth Goudie’s family, but I can’t see a direct connection there. We may descend from a cousin of Elizabeth’s husband, but I don’t think it’s direct, like coming from Jock Goudie for instance. Ancestry.ca keeps wanting to send me to the Fort Chimo Goudie family, but I’m not sure that’s my line. However, in talking with a few AI programs, they’ve suggested that if I have Native American and Arctic DNA, the one family in Labrador that strongly mixed with both Cree and Inuit people are the Michelin family. This family figures strongly in Elizabeth Goudie’s family, but we very likely could be connected to the Michelin family, maybe in a generation a step away from Elizabeth’s, or through an older cousin of her line. Everyone researching my specific Goudie line seems to hit a brick wall when it comes to trying to find William John (known as John) Goudie’s birthplace. I’m thinking Labrador, maybe in the Mud Lake area. I’ve seen names from those families and I could be staring right at him, but I just don’t know it.
I have hit a wall myself when it comes to tracing where William John (John) Goudie actually comes from. But based on the information available, and by uncovering where he isn’t from, it seem most likely to be some part of Labrador. Since I last posted here, I have concentrated exclusively on my other ancestral Grandfather, Joseph Goudie (b.1853-d.1886 at Little Bay), who is supposedly the brother of John. Joseph had a wife named Esther, apparently born in Table Bay, Labrador, date unknown, who married John Thomas Noble 2 years after Joseph died in a mining accident. Joseph is William’s father, who is Lilly Ann’s husband, and apparent first cousin to William as the research tends to tell us. William and Lilly Ann are my great grandparents. Joseph is most likely the son of William Goudie (b. about 1825), and Susan Deer(d. Aug 1859), as I have deduced from several documents forwarded to me from Herb Goudie’s family, and from information supplied to me from a family reseacher at The Rooms. Susan passed in August of 1859, so Wiiliam was only 34 when she died. Both of them resided at Labrador at the time of Susan’s death. If Joseph Goudie and William John Goudie are indeed brothers, they would at best be half brothers as John was born in December of 1859, several months after Susan’s passing. I am making an educated assumption that William, husband of Susan, met another woman after Susan’s passing, who we know nothing about, and started another family with her, which John William would be part of. And to add another layer to this family story, Lilly Ann may have been raised by John and Eliza as their own, but may actually be a child of her sister. I have a document in my possession that alludes to that, although I’m not completely sold on that being true, as there are many documents available stating that she was born to John and Eliza Goudie. In a document I have from Herb’s files, he notes that William Goudie (1825) may have several other children with this unknown woman, giving both Joseph and John several other siblings that aren’t mentioned in any other document attached to William and Susan Deer. Unfortunately, much of this is speculation because of the lack of records for William John Goudie. In terms of William and Susan Deer, you can find lots of information about them on most geanology sites, as that particular branch is well documented back to John Goudie (b. August 1798) from Orphir, Orkney Islands, and his Cree wife, Louisa. This particular John worked for the HBC and started with them will west of Labrador when he met Louisa. He eventually made his way east and settled in Labrador. I’m not sure if any of this is at all helpful to you Leslie, but maybe something in there narrows things down a little for you.
Hi Sheldon. There may be two Joseph Goudies. A famous one who died in a smelting accident, and another one who also may have died in a mining accident, who may well have been our William John’s brother, but could be a different guy. It was AI that gave me that information though. I’m finding it very helpful in comparing dates for me and keeping things straight there. But sometimes I have to diligently keep it on track because it will see something like the fact that John Goudie and Elizabeth Coombs married after some of their children were born and it will be convinced that they can’t be the same people. A newspaper clipping says “John” and not “William” and it says “Elizabeth, and not Eliza,” and the marriage happened after they had children, so different people entirely to AI. But I said to it, “Okay, but what if there was no minister available until the later date,” and it said, “Oh, yes! You’re absolutely right. That did happen!” So it’s useful, but you have to be careful.
The problem with Elizabeth Goudie’s line is that they are very Labrador-based. I don’t see them coming to the Notre Dame Bay area, where our line is concentrated. There seems to be three main Goudie lines. One (Elizabeth Goudie’s line) is very Labrador-based, stayed in Labrador and originated in Mud Lake. Another line is more attached to the Lower Cove Island / Little Bay Goudie line, and they seem to have stayed in that area, for the most part. Herb Goudie spent a lot of time trying to connect me with his John Blunden Goudie line, but we’re just not them. He finally reached the point where he said to me, “Yes, I think you’re right.”
Herb spent years trying to track down a separate John and Benge or Genge in my family and I kept saying, “There is no John and Benge.” My uncle, John Francis Goudie, was born in Ayr, Scotland and I have his birth record. The rest of the kids were born in Grand Falls. So, I know for sure that Jack (John Francis) was born in 1919, and his brother George was two years younger than him. If there was a separate John and Genge, then where are my Uncle Jack (John) and George on the 1921 Grand Falls Census? It would have said, “John, Benge, John Francis and George” but it doesn’t. What Herb saw as Genge looks clearly like George to me. I think that for some reason, the Census taker wrote the boys’ ages wrong, which is unfortunate because it caused a lot of confusion. By 1935, their ages are correct.
Anyway, our line is very based in Notre Dame Bay and I’m not sure if they originally came from Labrador, or not. But somewhere we definitely picked up Native American and Inuit DNA, so that has to come from somewhere that this would occur. Unless we had family going back and forth between Labrador and Newfoundland for work and one of them brought home an indigenous lady from Labrador.
I’m very limited in what research I can do right now because I’m retired now and very limited in my funds, and I’m looking after my mother, so I can’t be spending a lot of time in libraries, trying to read microfilm. I’m limited to whatever I can find online for free right now. There’s so much to sort out. It’s all very confusing and frustrating. Thank you for talking to me.
Oh, wait. So you’re related to Lily Ann’s husband William Goudie? The first time I saw their marriage record I thought, “Wait, she’s a Goudie and she married a Goudie? Is that right?” The William John Goudie whose birth record I have been trying to find married Eliza Coombs and they are the parents of my grandfather James William Goudie and his sister Lily Ann Goudie, who were baptized together on April 12, 1890 in Little Bay, and they have other siblings as well. Are we at least dealing with the same Lily Ann Goudie? I just want to make sure that I’m on the same page. Is your William Goudie on Herb Goudie’s line, because my Goudie line doesn’t seem to be connected with his. Not that I’ve found so far anyway.
According the old gedcom files I have, William is the son of Joseph. He is the man who died in the mining accident at Little Bay. I had a look at the AI information, and it is very confusing as they have several Johns and Josephs mixed up in many ways. So I wouldn’t put much stock in what information you can glean from that particular source. Also I should mention that Lilly is named after her Aunt,William John’s sister. I know it’s very confusing to track when the same names pop up over and over from generation to generation.
Oh, okay. So when you say that William is the son of Joseph, do you mean Lily Ann’s husband William, or my William John, who was married to Eliza?
My mom’s Aunt Lil married a William Goudie, who died. Then she remarried George Marsh and there are three boys mentioned, but I don’t know if they are Lily and George’s children, or if they are children who came into the marriage, thus being her step-children.
I’ll get this yet.
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