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Hi Sheldon. There may be two Joseph Goudies. A famous one who died in a smelting accident, and another one who also may have died in a mining accident, who may well have been our William John’s brother, but could be a different guy. It was AI that gave me that information though. I’m finding it very helpful in comparing dates for me and keeping things straight there. But sometimes I have to diligently keep it on track because it will see something like the fact that John Goudie and Elizabeth Coombs married after some of their children were born and it will be convinced that they can’t be the same people. A newspaper clipping says “John” and not “William” and it says “Elizabeth, and not Eliza,” and the marriage happened after they had children, so different people entirely to AI. But I said to it, “Okay, but what if there was no minister available until the later date,” and it said, “Oh, yes! You’re absolutely right. That did happen!” So it’s useful, but you have to be careful.
The problem with Elizabeth Goudie’s line is that they are very Labrador-based. I don’t see them coming to the Notre Dame Bay area, where our line is concentrated. There seems to be three main Goudie lines. One (Elizabeth Goudie’s line) is very Labrador-based, stayed in Labrador and originated in Mud Lake. Another line is more attached to the Lower Cove Island / Little Bay Goudie line, and they seem to have stayed in that area, for the most part. Herb Goudie spent a lot of time trying to connect me with his John Blunden Goudie line, but we’re just not them. He finally reached the point where he said to me, “Yes, I think you’re right.”
Herb spent years trying to track down a separate John and Benge or Genge in my family and I kept saying, “There is no John and Benge.” My uncle, John Francis Goudie, was born in Ayr, Scotland and I have his birth record. The rest of the kids were born in Grand Falls. So, I know for sure that Jack (John Francis) was born in 1919, and his brother George was two years younger than him. If there was a separate John and Genge, then where are my Uncle Jack (John) and George on the 1921 Grand Falls Census? It would have said, “John, Benge, John Francis and George” but it doesn’t. What Herb saw as Genge looks clearly like George to me. I think that for some reason, the Census taker wrote the boys’ ages wrong, which is unfortunate because it caused a lot of confusion. By 1935, their ages are correct.
Anyway, our line is very based in Notre Dame Bay and I’m not sure if they originally came from Labrador, or not. But somewhere we definitely picked up Native American and Inuit DNA, so that has to come from somewhere that this would occur. Unless we had family going back and forth between Labrador and Newfoundland for work and one of them brought home an indigenous lady from Labrador.
I’m very limited in what research I can do right now because I’m retired now and very limited in my funds, and I’m looking after my mother, so I can’t be spending a lot of time in libraries, trying to read microfilm. I’m limited to whatever I can find online for free right now. There’s so much to sort out. It’s all very confusing and frustrating. Thank you for talking to me.
I did finally submit my mom’s DNA. She didn’t show any indigenous DNA. However, the sons of her brother Jack (John Francis) show 2% Native American and 2% Arctic DNA. They’re my first cousins. It may not show in mine, but I know they’re still my Ancestors. I show Lilly Ann as Lily Ann, with one L. But Lilly or Lily was my mom’s aunt. She’s 98 now and has Alzheimer’s, so she doesn’t remember much at all now. But William John, or John William is driving me crazy. No one seems to be able to find his birthplace. Ancestry.ca keeps wanting to connect him with Elizabeth Goudie’s family, but I can’t see a direct connection there. We may descend from a cousin of Elizabeth’s husband, but I don’t think it’s direct, like coming from Jock Goudie for instance. Ancestry.ca keeps wanting to send me to the Fort Chimo Goudie family, but I’m not sure that’s my line. However, in talking with a few AI programs, they’ve suggested that if I have Native American and Arctic DNA, the one family in Labrador that strongly mixed with both Cree and Inuit people are the Michelin family. This family figures strongly in Elizabeth Goudie’s family, but we very likely could be connected to the Michelin family, maybe in a generation a step away from Elizabeth’s, or through an older cousin of her line. Everyone researching my specific Goudie line seems to hit a brick wall when it comes to trying to find William John (known as John) Goudie’s birthplace. I’m thinking Labrador, maybe in the Mud Lake area. I’ve seen names from those families and I could be staring right at him, but I just don’t know it.
Oh, I see. Thank you. I’m not sure how Sheldon and I don’t come up as a match. We have to be related in some way if we both descend from John and Eliza Goudie.
It’s still really fun for me to finally find someone connected to my Goudie line. And I learned some new things about the family. Thank you very much. It’s the line of my family that I have known the least about. Although looking at my old notes, I knew more than I thought I did. I guess it has been a long time since I did any family research.
I was thinking that my father was a Switzer, so my paternal DNA wouldn’t be Goudie either. It would be my mother’s father who would give us the Goudie DNA. I tried to get her to take a test, but she wouldn’t. I should try again.
Oh, okay. Yeah, you’d think there would be a match. We’re definitely on the same Goudie line. All of the names match up. There can’t be another John Goudie and Eliza Coombs.
I’ve been at her grave. My Mom’s cousin Neale Wells took me there. I think I may have a photo of it on my computer.
I’ve got my raw data downloaded to my computer, but when I try to attach the file it tells me it’s an invalid name.
It says User Profile 89259.
My Kit # is M247695, Kit Type V4. Maybe I haven’t uploaded my DNA profile? I’m not sure where it would tell me that.
We have to if John and Eliza are my great-grandparents and his great-great grandparents.
It’s so great to finally find someone on my own line. I was always running into Herb Goudie’s line and I knew they weren’t mine. Mine seemed to be some mysterious line that no one knew anything about.
The only reason I know anything is because I had a friend who was a genealogist and she helped me with the research.
I asked my Mom if she remembers her grandparents, John and Eliza. She said she only met them a couple of times, before the age of 7.
Unfortunately, my grandmother was very homesick for Ayr, so she was constantly going back home, dragging her children with her. So my Mom spent a few years as a toddler and then again from the age of 7 through 12 in Ayr. So she never got to know her Goudie side of the family very well.
Hi. I am on GEDMatch. I haven’t looked at it in years, but I just managed to sign in. Leslie Switzer, nickname Greyfort. (Leslie is a Celtic Name meaning she of the grey fortress, or something like that).
Thank you, Sheldon. That’s good to know. Being female, I could only get results from my maternal line. My Dad’s line is English/German/Dutch. I’ve always wanted to talk to a Goudie male who could confirm the Cree rumour. I was excited to find this forum last night when I searched for the name John Goudie.
My DNA is on 23andMe.
My Mom, Stella Teresa Goudie was born to James William Goudie and Sarah Leach, who was from Ayr, Scotland. They met when he was recovering from an illness he picked up being stationed in Egypt during the war and they met and married in Ayr.
James’ father was either John William, or William John. I just have in my notes that he went by John. That would be the same guy, so maybe it was Jock that he went by and not John. Was it Jock or Jacques? John was married to Eliza Coombs, so they are my great-grandparents.
I’m not familiar with that George Goudie, except for his name. I had a mysterious Uncle George who went missing in the 1960s. He must have been named after his Uncle George.
A few years ago, I found the obituary for the wife of my Uncle George, so I was able to talk to my Mom’s grand-nephew who lives in Australia and we finally solved the family mystery. It turns out that George was a welder who had been recruited to Australia after WWII and he died from a heart attack when he was only 43 or 44 years old.
Sorry, me again. I just found a handwritten note that I’d put into my family binder.
Lily Ann Goudie, born to John and Eliza (Coombs), 4-Jul 1881, Little Bay. Baptized 12 Apr 1890.
Louisa Goudie, born to John and Eliza 31 Jun 1888, Little Bay, baptized 20 Sep 1888.
Eliza Coombs’ parents were Robert Coombs and Rebecca Smith. Louisa Goudie died 1 Apr 1889, Little Bay.
(Vital Statistics, Volume 91. (Baptisms 1865-1891), Methodist Parish, Little Bay Islands Notre Dame Bay).
